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EP:60:02 : “The March To …”
ERIA QUINT: Hello and welcome to another episode of Showdown, where we examine the issues of the day as seen through opposing perspectives. My name is Eria Quint. It’s been three months since Admiral Bishop addressed the UEE Senate shortly after his remarkable victory in the defense of Vega II. His speech galvanized the public throughout the Empire. In it, he called for a plan to reclaim systems lost to the Vanduul. Last week, the admiral presented his strategy to the Imperator and High Command for review. While exact details are unknown, sources indicate that military action is not only possible, but likely.

My guests today hold two very different points of view on the road to this point and where the Empire will go from here. I would like to welcome Arthur Warro, an economic strategist and architect of the Polo Initiative, who’s joining us via spectrum.

ARTHUR WARRO: Thank you for having me, Eria.

ERIA QUINT: And from the UEE Navy, Admiral Cedric Cochran.

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: Lovely to see you.

ERIA QUINT: To pose the question to you both, is this truly the time?

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: Well, Eria, since the latest attack, border systems have reported a significant decrease in raids, so it seems that the victory at Vega II was a decisive blow against what had been a previously very determined Vanduul threat. While the Vanduul don’t seem to have any kind of cohesive organization outside of their individual clans, this notable decrease indicates, to me at least, that the destruction of the kingship has sent a message to the other clans. So it feels like an ideal chance to capitalize on the momentum.

ARTHUR WARRO: Unfortunately, we are not in a financial position to justify a war, especially one of the magnitude and ambiguous timeline that a prolonged active conflict with the Vanduul will undoubtedly require.

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: Mr. Warro, the people of the Empire want justice for the lives lost on Vega II.

ARTHUR WARRO: And I respect that, Admiral.

ERIA QUINT: Admiral Bishop, seen here touring the devastation of New Corvo, has made it abundantly clear that he believes the conflict with the Vanduul represents a state of supreme emergency: an us-or-them situation, and that was why a state of war was already in effect. Because of the gravity of this operation and what was at stake, he has requested to be at the front line of this offensive.

ARTHUR WARRO: Admiral Bishop is an exemplary officer, no one is denying that, but say he defeats the Vanduul, how hollow would that victory be if the Empire he saves is in complete financial collapse?

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: As you know, Admiral Bishop is a close personal friend of mine. We speak often, especially when he wants help crafting his battle plans. I can’t think of anyone more qualified to lead this historic charge.

ERIA QUINT: Insiders claim that he’s attempting to resurrect plans to construct a new class of capital ship.

ARTHUR WARRO: Projects like that are what got us here in the first place.

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: I agree.

ARTHUR WARRO: You do?

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: Certainly. Before Vega II, the Empire lacked focus. I’m not personally familiar with this project you mentioned, Eria, but I can assume that it was a probably more of an engineering challenge than anything else. We didn’t need it. Someone started building it because they could. Now, things have changed. If Admiral Bishop has set his sights on this project, then he sees value in it. Now we can spend the credits because it’s something we will use.

ERIA QUINT: We need to take a quick break. When we come back, we’ll take our RapidFire out to the streets to hear from you about the latest developments with the looming Vanduul conflict, then final questions for our guests. Stay tuned.

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ERIA QUINT: We’re reloaded for another round of Showdown, but first, we asked the public how they felt about the increased momentum towards military action in the Vanduul systems. Here’s what you had to say. This is Rapidfire.

MARSHALL JAED (Angeli, Croshaw): I’m all for it. It’s been making me sick how the puppets in office just seem to want to roll over and hope they’ll just go away. ’Duul have been killing us and taking what they want for hundreds of years. It’s about time we started hitting them back.

HENNA KASEY (Prime, Terra): I know everybody’s getting all excited to jump on the ‘let’s blow stuff up’ rail, but anyone stop to think that we’re going to be playing right into their hands? I mean, they want to fight. That’s what they do. My mom had a great quote when I said I was moving to Prime, she said “don’t go looking for crazy, because then you gotta deal with crazy.”

VITIENNE CAVANAUGH (Jata, Cestulus): Whatever it takes. Navy shot down my application, but I don’t care. I’m saving up for a fighter and will go out there on my own. Like I said, whatever it takes.

ERIA QUINT: You can find more RapidFire clips in our archive. Welcome back. I’m your host, Eria Quint, here with our guests: Admiral Cedric Cochran of the UEE Navy and Arthur Warro, economic consultant. The Orion system was the first Human-controlled system to fall to the Vanduul. Lost in 2712, the Battle of Orion signified the first large-scale military defeat the Messers suffered. Tiber, Virgil and Caliban would fall afterwards. Since it’s been almost 250 years since the UEE has occupied these systems, even if Bishop is successful in recapturing these systems, is there still anything there worth saving?

ARTHUR WARRO: I have always heard that there are still settlers living in those systems, so in a perfect universe, yes, I think that means they’re worth saving, but life is too complicated for simple choices. Our way of life is not sustainable, the last three decades have proven that. Unless we’re willing to make sacrifices, we won’t survive… and that has nothing to do with the Vanduul.

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: I’ve served on the Vanduul front several times in my career. I’ve seen horrible things, but I was able to steel myself against those horrors because it was ‘over there.’ That was how I justified it. How I was able to move past it. As I said earlier, I echo Mr. Warro’s concerns about flagrant spending, but as I watched footage of the ruins of Estilia, the horrors I saw weren’t ‘over there’ anymore. I don’t know if we can put a price tag on saving our Citizens’ lives.

ERIA QUINT: Clearly plenty to think about in this incredibly complex issue. I’m certain we’ll be discussing it a lot more in the coming weeks. In the meantime, I’d like to thank my guests for being here today.

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: Thank you, Eria, Arthur.

ARTHUR WARRO: Thank you.

ERIA QUINT: We’ll take another quick break and when we come back, commercial starliners have been steadily increasing their fares over the past few years. With Meridian Transit’s latest press release outlining individual charges for their entertainment system, from the uproar that’s been burning up the Spectrum, it seems the public’s had enough. We’ll load up for another Showdown after these messages.

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EP:60:02 : "Der Marsch zu...."
ERIA QUINT: Hallo und willkommen zu einer weiteren Episode von Showdown, in der wir die Themen des Tages aus unterschiedlichen Perspektiven betrachten. Mein Name ist Eria Quint. Es ist drei Monate her, seit Admiral Bishop kurz nach seinem bemerkenswerten Sieg bei der Verteidigung von Vega II vor dem UEE-Senat sprach. Seine Rede begeisterte die Öffentlichkeit im ganzen Reich. Darin forderte er einen Plan zur Rückgewinnung der an die Vanduul verlorenen Systeme. Letzte Woche stellte der Admiral seine Strategie dem Imperator und dem Oberkommando zur Überprüfung vor. Während genaue Details unbekannt sind, deuten Quellen darauf hin, dass militärische Aktionen nicht nur möglich, sondern wahrscheinlich sind.

Meine heutigen Gäste haben zwei sehr unterschiedliche Standpunkte auf dem Weg zu diesem Punkt und wohin das Imperium von hier aus gehen wird. Ich begrüße Arthur Warro, einen Wirtschaftsstrategen und Architekten der Polo-Initiative, der über das Spektrum zu uns kommt.

ARTHUR WARRO: Danke, dass du mich hast, Eria.

ERIA QUINT: Und von der UEE Navy, Admiral Cedric Cochran.

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: Schön, dich zu sehen.

ERIA QUINT: Um Ihnen beiden die Frage zu stellen: Ist das wirklich der richtige Zeitpunkt?

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: Nun, Eria, seit dem letzten Angriff haben die Grenzsysteme einen signifikanten Rückgang der Angriffe gemeldet, so dass es scheint, dass der Sieg bei Vega II ein entscheidender Schlag gegen eine zuvor sehr bestimmte Vanduul-Drohung war. Während die Vanduul scheinbar keine zusammenhängende Organisation außerhalb ihrer einzelnen Clans haben, deutet dieser bemerkenswerte Rückgang zumindest für mich darauf hin, dass die Zerstörung des Königtums eine Botschaft an die anderen Clans gesendet hat. Es fühlt sich also wie eine ideale Chance an, von der Dynamik zu profitieren.

ARTHUR WARRO: Leider sind wir nicht in der finanziellen Lage, einen Krieg zu rechtfertigen, insbesondere nicht in der Größenordnung und dem zweideutigen Zeitplan, den ein längerer aktiver Konflikt mit der Vanduul zweifellos erfordern wird.

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: Herr Warro, die Menschen des Imperiums wollen Gerechtigkeit für die auf Vega II verlorenen Leben.

ARTHUR WARRO: Und ich respektiere das, Admiral.

ERIA QUINT: Admiral Bishop, der hier gesehen wurde, um die Verwüstung von New Corvo zu erleben, hat unmissverständlich deutlich gemacht, dass er glaubt, dass der Konflikt mit der Vanduul einen Zustand des höchsten Notstands darstellt: eine us-or-them-Situation, und deshalb war bereits ein Kriegszustand in Kraft. Aufgrund der Schwere dieser Operation und der damit verbundenen Herausforderungen hat er darum gebeten, an vorderster Front dieser Offensive zu stehen.

ARTHUR WARRO: Admiral Bishop ist ein vorbildlicher Offizier, niemand leugnet das, aber sagen Sie, dass er die Vanduul besiegt, wie hohl wäre dieser Sieg, wenn das Imperium, das er rettet, in völligem finanziellen Zusammenbruch wäre?

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: Wie Sie wissen, ist Admiral Bishop ein enger persönlicher Freund von mir. Wir sprechen oft, besonders wenn er bei der Erstellung seiner Kampfpläne helfen will. Ich kann mir niemanden vorstellen, der qualifizierter ist, diese historische Ladung zu leiten.

ERIA QUINT: Insider behaupten, dass er versucht, Pläne zum Bau einer neuen Klasse von Großschiffen wieder aufleben zu lassen.

ARTHUR WARRO: Projekte wie diese haben uns überhaupt erst hierher gebracht.

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: Ich stimme zu.

ARTHUR WARRO: Wirklich?

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: Sicherlich. Vor Vega II fehlte dem Imperium der Fokus. Ich bin persönlich nicht mit diesem Projekt vertraut, das Sie erwähnt haben, Eria, aber ich kann davon ausgehen, dass es wahrscheinlich eher eine technische Herausforderung als alles andere war. Wir brauchten es nicht. Jemand begann mit dem Bau, weil er es konnte. Jetzt haben sich die Dinge geändert. Wenn Admiral Bishop dieses Projekt ins Visier genommen hat, dann sieht er den Wert darin. Jetzt können wir die Credits ausgeben, weil es etwas ist, das wir verwenden werden.

ERIA QUINT: Wir müssen eine kurze Pause einlegen. Wenn wir zurückkommen, nehmen wir unser RapidFire mit auf die Straße, um von Ihnen über die neuesten Entwicklungen im Zusammenhang mit dem sich abzeichnenden Vanduul-Konflikt zu hören, dann die letzten Fragen an unsere Gäste. Bleiben Sie dran.

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ERIA QUINT: Wir sind für eine weitere Runde des Showdown wieder aufgeladen, aber zuerst haben wir die Öffentlichkeit gefragt, wie sie über die zunehmende Dynamik in Richtung militärischer Aktionen in den Vanduul-Systemen denkt. Hier ist, was du zu sagen hattest. Hier ist Rapidfire.

MARSHALL JAED (Angeli, Croshaw): Ich bin ganz und gar dafür. Es macht mich krank, dass die Marionetten im Büro sich einfach umdrehen wollen und hoffen, dass sie einfach weggehen. Duul haben uns getötet und sich seit Jahrhunderten genommen, was sie wollen. Es wird Zeit, dass wir anfangen, sie zurückzuschlagen.

HENNA KASEY (Prime, Terra): Ich weiß, dass jeder aufgeregt ist, auf die "Lass uns Sachen hochjagen"-Rail zu springen, aber jeder hört auf zu denken, dass wir ihnen direkt in die Hände spielen werden? Ich meine, sie wollen kämpfen. Das ist es, was sie tun. Meine Mutter hatte ein großartiges Zitat, als ich sagte, dass ich in die Prime gehe, sie sagte: "Such nicht nach Verrückten, denn dann musst du dich um Verrückte kümmern."

VITIENNE CAVANAUGH (Jata, Cestulus): Was auch immer nötig ist. Die Navy hat meine Bewerbung abgelehnt, aber das ist mir egal. Ich spare für einen Kämpfer und werde alleine da rausgehen. Wie ich schon sagte, alles, was nötig ist.

ERIA QUINT: Weitere RapidFire-Clips finden Sie in unserem Archiv. Willkommen zurück. Ich bin Ihre Gastgeberin, Eria Quint, hier bei unseren Gästen: Admiral Cedric Cochran von der UEE Navy und Arthur Warro, Wirtschaftsberater. Das Orion-System war das erste vom Menschen kontrollierte System, das auf die Vanduul fiel. Verloren 2712, bedeutete die Schlacht von Orion die erste große militärische Niederlage, die die Messers erlitten. Tiber, Virgil und Caliban würden danach fallen. Da es fast 250 Jahre her ist, seit die UEE diese Systeme besetzt hat, gibt es, auch wenn es Bishop gelingt, diese Systeme wieder einzunehmen, noch etwas, das es wert ist, gerettet zu werden?

ARTHUR WARRO: Ich habe immer gehört, dass es immer noch Siedler gibt, die in diesen Systemen leben, also in einem perfekten Universum, ja, ich denke, das bedeutet, dass es sich lohnt, sie zu retten, aber das Leben ist zu kompliziert für einfache Entscheidungen. Unsere Lebensweise ist nicht nachhaltig, das haben die letzten drei Jahrzehnte bewiesen. Wenn wir nicht bereit sind, Opfer zu bringen, werden wir nicht überleben.... und das hat nichts mit den Vanduul zu tun.

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: Ich habe in meiner Karriere mehrmals an der Vanduul-Front gedient. Ich habe schreckliche Dinge gesehen, aber ich konnte mich gegen diese Schrecken wehren, weil es "da drüben" war. So habe ich es begründet. Wie konnte ich daran vorbeikommen? Wie ich bereits sagte, schließe ich mich den Bedenken von Herrn Warro über flagrante Ausgaben an, aber als ich Aufnahmen von den Ruinen von Estilia sah, waren die Schrecken, die ich sah, nicht mehr "da drüben". Ich weiß nicht, ob wir ein Preisschild anbringen können, um das Leben unserer Bürger zu retten.

ERIA QUINT: Offensichtlich gibt es in diesem unglaublich komplexen Thema viel zu bedenken. Ich bin sicher, dass wir in den nächsten Wochen noch viel mehr darüber diskutieren werden. In der Zwischenzeit möchte ich mich bei meinen Gästen bedanken, dass sie heute hier sind.

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: Danke, Eria, Arthur.

ARTHUR WARRO: Danke.

ERIA QUINT: Wir machen noch eine kurze Pause und wenn wir zurückkommen, haben die kommerziellen Starliner ihre Tarife in den letzten Jahren stetig erhöht. Mit der neuesten Pressemitteilung von Meridian Transit, die individuelle Gebühren für ihr Unterhaltungssystem umreißt, vom Aufruhr, der das Spectrum verbrannt hat, scheint es, dass die Öffentlichkeit genug hatte. Wir werden nach diesen Nachrichten zu einem weiteren Showdown aufbrechen.

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EP:60:02 : “The March To …”
ERIA QUINT: Hello and welcome to another episode of Showdown, where we examine the issues of the day as seen through opposing perspectives. My name is Eria Quint. It’s been three months since Admiral Bishop addressed the UEE Senate shortly after his remarkable victory in the defense of Vega II. His speech galvanized the public throughout the Empire. In it, he called for a plan to reclaim systems lost to the Vanduul. Last week, the admiral presented his strategy to the Imperator and High Command for review. While exact details are unknown, sources indicate that military action is not only possible, but likely.

My guests today hold two very different points of view on the road to this point and where the Empire will go from here. I would like to welcome Arthur Warro, an economic strategist and architect of the Polo Initiative, who’s joining us via spectrum.

ARTHUR WARRO: Thank you for having me, Eria.

ERIA QUINT: And from the UEE Navy, Admiral Cedric Cochran.

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: Lovely to see you.

ERIA QUINT: To pose the question to you both, is this truly the time?

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: Well, Eria, since the latest attack, border systems have reported a significant decrease in raids, so it seems that the victory at Vega II was a decisive blow against what had been a previously very determined Vanduul threat. While the Vanduul don’t seem to have any kind of cohesive organization outside of their individual clans, this notable decrease indicates, to me at least, that the destruction of the kingship has sent a message to the other clans. So it feels like an ideal chance to capitalize on the momentum.

ARTHUR WARRO: Unfortunately, we are not in a financial position to justify a war, especially one of the magnitude and ambiguous timeline that a prolonged active conflict with the Vanduul will undoubtedly require.

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: Mr. Warro, the people of the Empire want justice for the lives lost on Vega II.

ARTHUR WARRO: And I respect that, Admiral.

ERIA QUINT: Admiral Bishop, seen here touring the devastation of New Corvo, has made it abundantly clear that he believes the conflict with the Vanduul represents a state of supreme emergency: an us-or-them situation, and that was why a state of war was already in effect. Because of the gravity of this operation and what was at stake, he has requested to be at the front line of this offensive.

ARTHUR WARRO: Admiral Bishop is an exemplary officer, no one is denying that, but say he defeats the Vanduul, how hollow would that victory be if the Empire he saves is in complete financial collapse?

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: As you know, Admiral Bishop is a close personal friend of mine. We speak often, especially when he wants help crafting his battle plans. I can’t think of anyone more qualified to lead this historic charge.

ERIA QUINT: Insiders claim that he’s attempting to resurrect plans to construct a new class of capital ship.

ARTHUR WARRO: Projects like that are what got us here in the first place.

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: I agree.

ARTHUR WARRO: You do?

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: Certainly. Before Vega II, the Empire lacked focus. I’m not personally familiar with this project you mentioned, Eria, but I can assume that it was a probably more of an engineering challenge than anything else. We didn’t need it. Someone started building it because they could. Now, things have changed. If Admiral Bishop has set his sights on this project, then he sees value in it. Now we can spend the credits because it’s something we will use.

ERIA QUINT: We need to take a quick break. When we come back, we’ll take our RapidFire out to the streets to hear from you about the latest developments with the looming Vanduul conflict, then final questions for our guests. Stay tuned.

[ Musical Outro ]

[ Musical Intro ]

ERIA QUINT: We’re reloaded for another round of Showdown, but first, we asked the public how they felt about the increased momentum towards military action in the Vanduul systems. Here’s what you had to say. This is Rapidfire.

MARSHALL JAED (Angeli, Croshaw): I’m all for it. It’s been making me sick how the puppets in office just seem to want to roll over and hope they’ll just go away. ’Duul have been killing us and taking what they want for hundreds of years. It’s about time we started hitting them back.

HENNA KASEY (Prime, Terra): I know everybody’s getting all excited to jump on the ‘let’s blow stuff up’ rail, but anyone stop to think that we’re going to be playing right into their hands? I mean, they want to fight. That’s what they do. My mom had a great quote when I said I was moving to Prime, she said “don’t go looking for crazy, because then you gotta deal with crazy.”

VITIENNE CAVANAUGH (Jata, Cestulus): Whatever it takes. Navy shot down my application, but I don’t care. I’m saving up for a fighter and will go out there on my own. Like I said, whatever it takes.

ERIA QUINT: You can find more RapidFire clips in our archive. Welcome back. I’m your host, Eria Quint, here with our guests: Admiral Cedric Cochran of the UEE Navy and Arthur Warro, economic consultant. The Orion system was the first Human-controlled system to fall to the Vanduul. Lost in 2712, the Battle of Orion signified the first large-scale military defeat the Messers suffered. Tiber, Virgil and Caliban would fall afterwards. Since it’s been almost 250 years since the UEE has occupied these systems, even if Bishop is successful in recapturing these systems, is there still anything there worth saving?

ARTHUR WARRO: I have always heard that there are still settlers living in those systems, so in a perfect universe, yes, I think that means they’re worth saving, but life is too complicated for simple choices. Our way of life is not sustainable, the last three decades have proven that. Unless we’re willing to make sacrifices, we won’t survive… and that has nothing to do with the Vanduul.

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: I’ve served on the Vanduul front several times in my career. I’ve seen horrible things, but I was able to steel myself against those horrors because it was ‘over there.’ That was how I justified it. How I was able to move past it. As I said earlier, I echo Mr. Warro’s concerns about flagrant spending, but as I watched footage of the ruins of Estilia, the horrors I saw weren’t ‘over there’ anymore. I don’t know if we can put a price tag on saving our Citizens’ lives.

ERIA QUINT: Clearly plenty to think about in this incredibly complex issue. I’m certain we’ll be discussing it a lot more in the coming weeks. In the meantime, I’d like to thank my guests for being here today.

ADMIRAL CEDRIC COCHRAN: Thank you, Eria, Arthur.

ARTHUR WARRO: Thank you.

ERIA QUINT: We’ll take another quick break and when we come back, commercial starliners have been steadily increasing their fares over the past few years. With Meridian Transit’s latest press release outlining individual charges for their entertainment system, from the uproar that’s been burning up the Spectrum, it seems the public’s had enough. We’ll load up for another Showdown after these messages.

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