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EP:60:56 : “Scarcity Theory …”
ERIA QUINT: Hello and welcome to Showdown, your source for balanced debate on some of the Empire’s biggest and most critical issues. I’m your host and moderator, Eria Quint.

Since Nicholas Croshaw’s first interstellar jump, Humanity’s Powers-That-Be have continually pursued a policy of expansion farther and deeper into the stars. With well over three dozen systems under its control, the Empire still spends a considerable amount of credits and resources on exploratory missions each year. The question we put forth today: should the government continue to push a policy of star acquisition or should we focus our efforts inwards on the systems that we already have? My two guests hold differing opinions on which path will offer the brightest future to our species.

Allow me to first introduce Dr. Janelle Taglion, author of “Scarcity Theory,” a recent paper published in the Journal of Imperial Economics that proposes that the Empire has expanded as far as it feasibly can while continuing to sustain itself. Welcome, Dr. Taglion.

DR. TAGLION: I’m delighted to be here, Eria.

ERIA QUINT: Also with us today is lead researcher at the Imperial Cartography Center and expansion advocate Darcy Lizu. Good to have you here.

DARCY LIZU: Please, call me Darcy. Real pleasure to be on the show. Thrilled to have a chance to discuss this important issue with you and Dr. Taglion.

ERIA QUINT: Then let’s get right to it, shall we? Dr. Taglion, for those out there who haven’t yet had a chance to read your work, could you summarize your theory and explain why you think the UEE may be on the cusp of over-extending itself?

DR. TAGLION: Glad to. It all comes down to resource availability and management. If we look back in our species’ history, back before we had multiple systems to expand into, back when we were exclusively living in Sol, there was real concern about scarcity of resources. At the time, overpopulation was threatening the very existence of our species and it was that crisis which lead to the settlement of Luna and the terraforming of Mars, both of which were major technological leaps forward. Even generations earlier, the risk of running out of fossil fuels led to unprecedented sparks of ingenuity. We see this repeated over and over. Competition equals creation. Now look at us today. Thanks to jump drives and scanners, we believe that we will always be able to find new systems. We’ve grown complacent. If you look at our technology advancement curve it has almost flattened in the last few centuries. Major innovations like the synthworld project seem to wither on the vine.

ERIA QUINT: And you believe continued expansion will lead to the collapse of the Empire?

DR. TAGLION: It’s the only conclusion to draw if you take the economic patterns that have evolved and trace the model forward at this current rate of growth. I am afraid that if this modern manifest destiny that has sought to expand our Empire persists, it will lead to stagnation, which will lead to instability and eventually collapse.

ERIA QUINT: I can see that you are eager to respond, Darcy. What do you think of Dr. Taglion’s theory?

DARCY LIZU: First of all, let me say that Dr. Taglion presents some very interesting correlations, but as we are reminded over and over, correlation is not necessarily causation. To just dismiss offhand the boon to Humanity that our continual expansion has been paints a very lopsided view of our development. What we learn about the universe and ourselves as we travel to new systems is invaluable. Discovery, exploration, knowledge. These are the core values that drive us as a people. Not competition and scrabbling for resources.

DR. TAGLION: Why do people explore? To find more resources. But our exploration tech has reached the point where it is good enough to sustain itself for centuries more without major development. The sheer fact that the ICC operates ships that are nearly identical to the ones used one hundred years ago should be indication of this alone. Where is the advancement that’s on the same level as our transition from boat to plane? From sky to space? We have grown complacent, and it is dangerous. Leave the frontier where it is and let the Empire turn its focus inward. Let us try to make the worlds we do have better worlds, instead of investing billions in terraforming new ones.

DARCY LIZU: What you are talking about goes against our natural biological imperatives. As living organisms, it is in our best interest to spread out as far and wide as possible. Imagine what would have happened if we had only inhabited one system when the Vanduul found us. We would be extinct. This year alone, we have discovered two new naturally occurring metallic crystals that we never knew existed. Not to mention a new species of algae and a small blue beetle that hums a distinct melody, both of which are currently being researched for bio-engineering applications. These discoveries that you are dismissing may lead to unimaginable breakthroughs.

ERIA QUINT: What about the argument that Dr. Taglion put forth that one of the most limited resources of all is the Empire’s ability to properly govern itself?

DARCY LIZU: I’m no political expert, but the sheer fact that we have gotten where we are today and still have a functioning government implies that we have the capability to continue to adapt as we add more systems. And I will note that just because we discover a system does not automatically imply that we will incorporate it into the Empire. How many systems have been left unclaimed?

DR. TAGLION: But by that line of reasoning, couldn’t you argue that some of the systems that are currently part of the UEE would have been better left unclaimed as well?

ERIA QUINT: All right, I am going to have to hold us right there so we can take a quick break. When we return, we dive further into the question of continued UEE expansion and how does the current goal of reclaiming Vanduul systems factors in. Plus, we will hear from a former explorer who has given up searching for new jump points after reading Dr. Taglion’s paper. All coming up next on Showdown.
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EP:60:56 : "Knappheitstheorie...."
ERIA QUINT: Hallo und willkommen bei Showdown, Ihrer Quelle für eine ausgewogene Debatte über einige der größten und kritischsten Themen des Imperiums. Ich bin Ihre Gastgeberin und Moderatorin, Eria Quint.

Seit Nicholas Croshaws erstem interstellaren Sprung haben Humanity's Powers-That-Be kontinuierlich eine Politik der Expansion weiter und tiefer in die Sterne verfolgt. Mit weit über drei Dutzend Systemen unter seiner Kontrolle gibt das Imperium immer noch jedes Jahr eine beträchtliche Menge an Krediten und Ressourcen für Erkundungsmissionen aus. Die Frage, die wir heute stellen: Soll die Regierung weiterhin eine Politik der Sternakquisition vorantreiben oder sollten wir unsere Bemühungen nach innen auf die Systeme konzentrieren, die wir bereits haben? Meine beiden Gäste sind unterschiedlicher Meinung darüber, welcher Weg unserer Spezies die beste Zukunft bieten wird.

Gestatten Sie mir zunächst, Dr. Janelle Taglion, Autorin der "Knappheitstheorie", vorzustellen, einem kürzlich im Journal of Imperial Economics veröffentlichten Papier, das vorschlägt, dass das Imperium so weit wie möglich expandiert ist, während es sich weiterhin selbst trägt. Willkommen, Dr. Taglion.

DR. TAGLION: Ich freue mich, hier zu sein, Eria.

ERIA QUINT: Auch heute ist er bei uns Lead Researcher am Imperial Cartography Center und Expansionsanwalt Darcy Lizu. Schön, dass du hier bist.

DARCY LIZU: Bitte, nennen Sie mich Darcy. Es ist ein echtes Vergnügen, auf der Show zu sein. Ich freue mich über die Gelegenheit, dieses wichtige Thema mit Ihnen und Dr. Taglion zu besprechen.

ERIA QUINT: Dann lassen Sie uns gleich zur Sache kommen, oder? Dr. Taglion, für diejenigen da draußen, die noch keine Gelegenheit hatten, Ihre Arbeit zu lesen, könnten Sie Ihre Theorie zusammenfassen und erklären, warum Sie denken, dass die UEE an der Schwelle zur Überforderung steht?

DR. TAGLION: Schön zu wissen. Es kommt auf die Verfügbarkeit und das Management der Ressourcen an. Wenn wir in die Geschichte unserer Spezies zurückblicken, bevor wir mehrere Systeme hatten, in die wir expandieren konnten, als wir ausschließlich in Sol lebten, gab es echte Bedenken hinsichtlich der Ressourcenknappheit. Damals bedrohte die Überbevölkerung die Existenz unserer Spezies, und diese Krise führte zur Besiedlung von Luna und zur Terraform des Mars, die beide große technologische Fortschritte bedeuteten. Schon Generationen zuvor führte die Gefahr des Auslaufens fossiler Brennstoffe zu beispiellosen Einfallsreichtumsfunken. Wir sehen, wie sich das immer wieder wiederholt. Wettbewerb ist gleich Kreation. Jetzt schau uns heute an. Dank Sprungantrieben und Scannern glauben wir, dass wir immer wieder neue Systeme finden werden. Wir sind selbstgefällig geworden. Wenn Sie sich unsere Kurve des technologischen Fortschritts ansehen, hat sie sich in den letzten Jahrhunderten fast verflacht. Wichtige Innovationen wie das synthworld-Projekt scheinen am Weinstock zu verkümmern.

ERIA QUINT: Und Sie glauben, dass die weitere Expansion zum Zusammenbruch des Imperiums führen wird?

DR. TAGLION: Es ist die einzige Schlussfolgerung, die man ziehen kann, wenn man die wirtschaftlichen Muster, die sich entwickelt haben, nimmt und das Modell bei dieser aktuellen Wachstumsrate vorwärts verfolgt. Ich fürchte, wenn dieses moderne, manifeste Schicksal, das versucht hat, unser Imperium zu erweitern, fortbesteht, wird es zu Stagnation führen, was zu Instabilität und schließlich zum Zusammenbruch führen wird.

ERIA QUINT: Ich kann sehen, dass du begierig darauf bist zu antworten, Darcy. Was halten Sie von Dr. Taglions Theorie?

DARCY LIZU: Zunächst möchte ich sagen, dass Dr. Taglion einige sehr interessante Zusammenhänge aufzeigt, aber wie wir immer wieder in Erinnerung gerufen werden, ist Korrelation nicht unbedingt Kausalität. Den Segen für die Menschheit, dass unsere kontinuierliche Expansion stattgefunden hat, einfach von der Hand zu weisen, ist ein sehr einseitiger Blick auf unsere Entwicklung. Was wir auf unserer Reise zu neuen Systemen über das Universum und uns selbst erfahren, ist von unschätzbarem Wert. Entdeckung, Erforschung, Wissen. Das sind die Kernwerte, die uns als Menschen antreiben. Nicht Wettbewerb und Ressourcensuche.

DR. TAGLION: Warum erforschen Menschen? Um mehr Ressourcen zu finden. Aber unsere Erkundungstechnologie ist an einem Punkt angelangt, an dem sie gut genug ist, um sich über Jahrhunderte hinweg ohne größere Entwicklung zu erhalten. Die schiere Tatsache, dass der ICC Schiffe betreibt, die fast identisch sind mit denen, die vor hundert Jahren eingesetzt wurden, sollte allein schon darauf hinweisen. Wo ist der Fortschritt, der auf der gleichen Ebene liegt wie unser Übergang vom Boot zum Flugzeug? Vom Himmel in den Weltraum? Wir sind selbstgefällig geworden, und es ist gefährlich. Verlasse die Grenze, wo sie ist, und lass das Imperium seinen Fokus nach innen richten. Lasst uns versuchen, die Welten, die wir haben, zu besseren Welten zu machen, anstatt Milliarden in das Terraforming neuer Welten zu investieren.

DARCY LIZU: Wovon Sie sprechen, verstößt gegen unsere natürlichen biologischen Gebote. Als lebende Organismen liegt es in unserem Interesse, sich so weit und breit wie möglich zu verbreiten. Stell dir vor, was passiert wäre, wenn wir nur ein System bewohnt hätten, als die Vanduul uns fanden. Wir wären ausgestorben. Allein in diesem Jahr haben wir zwei neue, natürlich vorkommende Metallkristalle entdeckt, von denen wir nicht wussten, dass sie existieren. Ganz zu schweigen von einer neuen Algenart und einem kleinen blauen Käfer, der eine eigene Melodie summt, die beide derzeit für biotechnologische Anwendungen erforscht werden. Diese Entdeckungen, die Sie ablehnen, können zu unvorstellbaren Durchbrüchen führen.

ERIA QUINT: Was ist mit dem Argument, das Dr. Taglion vorgebracht hat, dass eine der begrenztesten Ressourcen von allen die Fähigkeit des Imperiums ist, sich selbst richtig zu regieren?

DARCY LIZU: Ich bin kein politischer Experte, aber die schiere Tatsache, dass wir dort angekommen sind, wo wir heute sind und immer noch eine funktionierende Regierung haben, impliziert, dass wir die Fähigkeit haben, uns weiter anzupassen, wenn wir mehr Systeme hinzufügen. Und ich werde feststellen, dass, nur weil wir ein System entdecken, dies nicht automatisch bedeutet, dass wir es in das Imperium integrieren werden. Wie viele Systeme sind nicht in Anspruch genommen worden?

DR. TAGLION: Aber könnten Sie mit dieser Argumentationslinie nicht argumentieren, dass einige der Systeme, die derzeit Teil der UEE sind, besser auch nicht in Anspruch genommen worden wären?

ERIA QUINT: In Ordnung, ich muss uns genau da festhalten, damit wir eine kurze Pause machen können. Wenn wir zurückkehren, tauchen wir weiter in die Frage der weiteren UEE-Expansion ein und wie wirkt sich das aktuelle Ziel der Rückgewinnung von Vanduul-Systemen aus. Außerdem werden wir von einem ehemaligen Entdecker hören, der die Suche nach neuen Sprungmarken aufgegeben hat, nachdem er Dr. Taglions Artikel gelesen hat. Alle kommen als nächstes beim Showdown.
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EP:60:56 : “Scarcity Theory …”
ERIA QUINT: Hello and welcome to Showdown, your source for balanced debate on some of the Empire’s biggest and most critical issues. I’m your host and moderator, Eria Quint.

Since Nicholas Croshaw’s first interstellar jump, Humanity’s Powers-That-Be have continually pursued a policy of expansion farther and deeper into the stars. With well over three dozen systems under its control, the Empire still spends a considerable amount of credits and resources on exploratory missions each year. The question we put forth today: should the government continue to push a policy of star acquisition or should we focus our efforts inwards on the systems that we already have? My two guests hold differing opinions on which path will offer the brightest future to our species.

Allow me to first introduce Dr. Janelle Taglion, author of “Scarcity Theory,” a recent paper published in the Journal of Imperial Economics that proposes that the Empire has expanded as far as it feasibly can while continuing to sustain itself. Welcome, Dr. Taglion.

DR. TAGLION: I’m delighted to be here, Eria.

ERIA QUINT: Also with us today is lead researcher at the Imperial Cartography Center and expansion advocate Darcy Lizu. Good to have you here.

DARCY LIZU: Please, call me Darcy. Real pleasure to be on the show. Thrilled to have a chance to discuss this important issue with you and Dr. Taglion.

ERIA QUINT: Then let’s get right to it, shall we? Dr. Taglion, for those out there who haven’t yet had a chance to read your work, could you summarize your theory and explain why you think the UEE may be on the cusp of over-extending itself?

DR. TAGLION: Glad to. It all comes down to resource availability and management. If we look back in our species’ history, back before we had multiple systems to expand into, back when we were exclusively living in Sol, there was real concern about scarcity of resources. At the time, overpopulation was threatening the very existence of our species and it was that crisis which lead to the settlement of Luna and the terraforming of Mars, both of which were major technological leaps forward. Even generations earlier, the risk of running out of fossil fuels led to unprecedented sparks of ingenuity. We see this repeated over and over. Competition equals creation. Now look at us today. Thanks to jump drives and scanners, we believe that we will always be able to find new systems. We’ve grown complacent. If you look at our technology advancement curve it has almost flattened in the last few centuries. Major innovations like the synthworld project seem to wither on the vine.

ERIA QUINT: And you believe continued expansion will lead to the collapse of the Empire?

DR. TAGLION: It’s the only conclusion to draw if you take the economic patterns that have evolved and trace the model forward at this current rate of growth. I am afraid that if this modern manifest destiny that has sought to expand our Empire persists, it will lead to stagnation, which will lead to instability and eventually collapse.

ERIA QUINT: I can see that you are eager to respond, Darcy. What do you think of Dr. Taglion’s theory?

DARCY LIZU: First of all, let me say that Dr. Taglion presents some very interesting correlations, but as we are reminded over and over, correlation is not necessarily causation. To just dismiss offhand the boon to Humanity that our continual expansion has been paints a very lopsided view of our development. What we learn about the universe and ourselves as we travel to new systems is invaluable. Discovery, exploration, knowledge. These are the core values that drive us as a people. Not competition and scrabbling for resources.

DR. TAGLION: Why do people explore? To find more resources. But our exploration tech has reached the point where it is good enough to sustain itself for centuries more without major development. The sheer fact that the ICC operates ships that are nearly identical to the ones used one hundred years ago should be indication of this alone. Where is the advancement that’s on the same level as our transition from boat to plane? From sky to space? We have grown complacent, and it is dangerous. Leave the frontier where it is and let the Empire turn its focus inward. Let us try to make the worlds we do have better worlds, instead of investing billions in terraforming new ones.

DARCY LIZU: What you are talking about goes against our natural biological imperatives. As living organisms, it is in our best interest to spread out as far and wide as possible. Imagine what would have happened if we had only inhabited one system when the Vanduul found us. We would be extinct. This year alone, we have discovered two new naturally occurring metallic crystals that we never knew existed. Not to mention a new species of algae and a small blue beetle that hums a distinct melody, both of which are currently being researched for bio-engineering applications. These discoveries that you are dismissing may lead to unimaginable breakthroughs.

ERIA QUINT: What about the argument that Dr. Taglion put forth that one of the most limited resources of all is the Empire’s ability to properly govern itself?

DARCY LIZU: I’m no political expert, but the sheer fact that we have gotten where we are today and still have a functioning government implies that we have the capability to continue to adapt as we add more systems. And I will note that just because we discover a system does not automatically imply that we will incorporate it into the Empire. How many systems have been left unclaimed?

DR. TAGLION: But by that line of reasoning, couldn’t you argue that some of the systems that are currently part of the UEE would have been better left unclaimed as well?

ERIA QUINT: All right, I am going to have to hold us right there so we can take a quick break. When we return, we dive further into the question of continued UEE expansion and how does the current goal of reclaiming Vanduul systems factors in. Plus, we will hear from a former explorer who has given up searching for new jump points after reading Dr. Taglion’s paper. All coming up next on Showdown.

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